Monday, April 17, 2006

Question from Shannon - Another illegit. son of Henry VIII

I have come across information that an Agnes Bewitt Beupine married to William Edwardes had an illegitimate son,Richard, for Henry VIII and that is how the family recieved Edwards Hall in Wales. Henry never claimed him, as Agnes was already married. Does anyone know about this?
Thanks

109 comments:

BritishNut56 said...

Would it be possible to share the information which you have found? I have never heard of Henry VIII's 'son' Richard, and would love to read the information you have.

Is it available via a web-site or book?

Anonymous said...

Yes, Henry VIII did have another illegitimate son named Richard Edwardes. His mother was Henry VIII's mistress was Agnes Blewitt.
Although Henry VIII never acknowledged Richard because he was illegitimate, Agnes specifically claimed that he was the father. She was already married so her husband raised Richard and Richard took his name out of shame. His descendants are the only direct descendants of Henry VIII since all of his legitimate offspring died childless.

Anonymous said...

I am a descendant of Richard, Henry and Agnes' son. Couldn't Henry have had other illegitimate offspring who would also have direct descendants?

Anonymous said...

There is also the claim that Mary Boleyn had 1, if not 2, children by Henry. The oldest, Catherine Carey, went on to marry Sir Francis Knollys (their daughter, Lettice Knollys, served Elizabeth 1 and married Robert Dudley). The other, Henry Carey, is slightly less enthusiastically tied to Henry VIII.

Lauren said...

I am also a direct descendant of Richard Edwardes, I have traced his paternal lineage through Henry VIII and William Edwardes, his foster-father. To my knowledge there is more proof that Richard was Henry's natural son than that he was Edwardes' son.

Kimberly L. Adkins said...

I am a direct decendant of this line. I have not heard of any other illegitimate children, but I imagine it is highly likely. I would find it hard to believe he just had the one mistress in his whole life; especially considering this is a man who was married 6 times and is known to have repeatedly tried to have a son. It seems to me it is only logical he would be trying to have a son with anyone he could have one with.

Anonymous said...

Is there any proof that Richard
Edwards is Henry Vlll's son?
I am interested in the Edwards
Family. I would Be a great great
Great Etc.
ELiza

Edwards said...

I have a tree that goes from this Richard down to the Edwards associated with the so called Edwards Millions

Anonymous said...

I was reading a copy of a book by David Edwards yesterday. I was interested because I too am an Edwards and I live in North Petherton. (I am not of Richards line though) I looked on Ancestry and it has his burial in Somerset. I thought in the book it said he died in London?

Amy said...

Hi,

I to am a descendant of Richard Edwards. I wonder why, if he really is an illegitmate son why it is not shown in any history books. Is this just a legend that was passed down from generation to generation. Hope someone can clear this up.

mary cordell-edwards said...

i believe richard was murdered by lord hunsdon,i researched this for years,i,d be interested in seeing these peoples trees that are on the line,there are so many people who say they are a direct descendant,i,m sorry i dont think so.

N Edwards said...

I have trees on Edwards and Donne
Go to search my blog as well

Anonymous said...

Hi N I am a bit confused how can I find you Blog on Edwards and Donnes?
I meant to say before I actually had a guided tour of Haswell House in North Petherton a few weeks ago, such a beautiful place. Parts are Elizabethan. Richards family must have been very well off to live there.

Anonymous said...

Help i'm really confused! I'm doing a history project that needs to be in by 2moz! what are the names of all henry's illegitimate children?

SOMEONE REPLY SOON PLLLLLZ! :O

Lara said...

As far as I know, the only acknowledged bastard of Henry VIII was Henry Fitzroy. So all the rest rely on either the word of the mother, later claims or timing of a child's birth with a possible affair with Henry VIII.

Teri said...

I am a descendant of Richard Edwardes. I say let's exhume the body and put this to rest. DNA could settle this forever!

monica said...

I'd love them to exhume Richard's body, and Henry and Catherine Carey's.

Personally, I see no proof that Richard was descended from Henry, it was simply a rumour started centuries later by people who want to think they are the descendants of Henry VIII. There's no contemporary reference to it that I am aware of.

Angela C. said...

I am also descended from Richard Edwards, I'm an American with the last name of Lewis. I have a family tree showing the line going up to Henry VIII and Agnes Blewitt. I would also love to know if they really had a child. It would make sense, since the Lewises were granted a farm stretching from what is now Wall Street to Bleecker Street in Manhattan, and it was a specific land grant from the Crown. In other words, there was a favoritism shown there. [This was pre-Revolutionary War]

veronica said...

I'm throwing my hat in too...I can trace my family tree to Fesmire, to Edwards, to Henry Tudor....I'm going to do more research to make sure we haven't messed up somewhere but this is all so fascinating! I would love to find more info on Agnes or get any source recommendations from anyone.

Angela C. said...

I am inclined to believe that there is a reason that this has been swept under the rug -- after all, if we are the only direct descendants of Henry VIII, that makes us claimants to some important part of royal history [albeit not through wedlock]. And to be honest with you I think it is on purpose that there is so little mention of this in the "official" history. Even the website for the 500th anniversary of Henry [exhibit in a castle in England] does not mention it.

DianaD said...

This is a fascinating subject. I too am descended from the Edwards family that was granted land in what is now New York. If he was a descendent of Henry VIII, it would explain why he was rewarded so generously, and also, to 'get him out of the way' in the New World! I would love to hear from anyone who can share their research with me, and to say hi to other Edwards descendents (my relatives).

Rachael said...

Hi all...I too have traced my ancestry back to Richard Edwardes/Edwards, supposed son of Henry VIII. I live in the great state of Texas...I discovered this a few months ago and I find it soooooo fascinating. Just got through watching The Other Boleyn Girl...this got my curiousity churning again, so here I am....hello relatives.

Anonymous said...

Im a descendant of him too! i think its true. She was a mistress to him and it would fit king henry's personality to have a bunch of illegitimate children.

archaeologygrl said...

I am a decendant as well!!! Hello Relatives!!!!

I am curious though about what "mary cordell-edwards" said "i believe richard was murdered by lord hunsdon" What do you mean and I would love to help you research this as well if you wouldn't mind contacting me.

I was wondering if I could get some information on this property that our ancestor was said to be given?

I find all this fascinating for sure as all of you have. We should have a reunion, LOL!

Julia L. Haninger said...

My sister just found our direct connection to Richard Edwardes, which I'll probably be posting on my blog soon.

My Edwardses eventually wound up in South Carolina c. 1700s, with my grandmother moving to Ohio.

Julia L. Haninger said...

Agnes Blewitt (mother of our Richard Edwardes) is of royal and noble descent herself--using the Dowling Family Genealogy page on Rootsweb.com and some other sites (Yes, I do realize these are user-edited and prone to error), I was able to trace her directly to Henry I, Edward I, Charlemagne of the Holy Roman Empire, and many other kings plus tons of nobles--not surprising, since European royalty is just one big unhappy, incestuous family.

Anonymous said...

Love it when one paths leads to so many, ...

Anyway - just a shout out to all my Edwards family, ... I'm connected through ... the edwards,mayes,bransome,turner,cook line!

Hey - we all come from somewhere right?
melissa

Halsangels said...

Hi, I am also a desendant of Richard Edwards.. I have a letter that explains a little.. I have much more and I am so happy I found others!

Richard Edward(e)s, was born Oct of 1523-25 in North Petherton, Somerset, England. His parents of record are William Thomas Edwardes of North Petherton and Agnes Blewett of Holcombe Rogus, Devon.

Some researchers and Brit historians believe that Richard is an illegitimate son of Henry VIII (Tudor) and Agnes Blewitt, as Agnes was at court just prior to her pregnancy and Henry VIII provided a stipend for Richard's childhood support, and guaranteed and paid for his education at Oxford. Richard's mother, Agnes Blewitt, was allowed to add the Tudor roses to her personal crest.

Though educated at Oxford to be a lawyer, Richard Edwardes never practiced law, and instead became a cleric in the Anglican Church. He was a poet and playwright of some renoun, writing such rousing plays as Palemon and Arcite for the entertainment of (his supposed half sister) Queen Elizabeth. His passing was noted by a contemporary of the time as being a writer of the same class as Shakespeare.

Richard Edwards married Helene Griffith in about 1560. I have found as many as 6 children listed as being born to this marriage in the six years prior to his death in 1566.

Some feel that any researcher listing Henry VIII as the paternal line for Richard Edwardes is "Royalty Hunting". But if the William Thomas Edwards line is traced through to its early sources in Wales, it descends on a direct line through generations of Welsh kings to Coel Hen, the last Dux Brittorium, or King of All Britian, ca between 150 and 400 A. D.

Clearly there is no benefit to claiming royal lineage through Henry VIII, when William Edwardes lineage has a far longer and stronger royal bloodline.

Here is another letter i have..
There are many circumstances in Richard's life and the events there of that suggest that, he was the natural son of Henry VIII. The real truth may never be known, but many circumstance surrounding Richard and his life would certainly support such a conclusion. Agnes was not around the Court like the other two mistresses. She stayed at his hunting lodge. I quote: "It is indeed correct that Richard Edwardes was Henry's "natural son', his relationship to the King was a well guarded secret and was probably the result of the lady in question having resided near the royal hunting lodge of Huntworth in Somersetshire away from the observance of those at court. From the information that is available the lady's first name was Agnes and it is quite probable that she was a member of a family


of high and and long standing. No one will know jist why the secret of his birth was kept only to the Tudors and the family Richard was born into, but it may well have been out of respect for Richard Edwardes' mother and her family." Since the book was written, her last name was found. Agnes and her family were given land in Scotland and that was where Richard was raised as a young lad. Henry paid for Richard's education at Oxford.



-taken from "Descendants of Henry VIII Tudor"



Richard Edwards was born about 1523. His mother was Agnes Blewitt. Agnes had 3 sons. Two of her sons are claimed by her husband as his. The 3rd, Richard, is not. Agnes' husband, William Thomas Edwards, would not claim Richard as his. It was suspected Richard was the result of an affair Agnes had, but that Richard took the Edwards from his mother's husband's name to avoid shame. Though historically, the affair is undocumented, it is suspected that the affair, which is speculated to have produced Richard, was with King Henry VIII. It is somewhat documented that King Henry VIII was fond of this child, though never claiming him either as his son. So the real father of Richard Edwards remains unknown with absolute certainty, but evidence suggests that King Henry VIII is a possibility.



Wikipedia sights Richard as "the alleged illegitimate son of Henry VIII" in the title of his article



If anyone knows more please email me at halsangels@live.com

Anonymous said...

Found on A2A Somerset records

FILE - N.PETHERTON - ref. DD\S\WH/272 - date: 1554
[from Scope and Content] Evidence concerning the claim by Agnes Edwards, tenant of Lady Cary to 1/3 pt. of Rodeland, which had been taken by Jn.Billy of Woolavington, tenant of Alex.Popham and Nich.Halswell, owners of the other 2/3,some geneological detail of the Edwards family. Signed and sealed by those giving evidence.

patricia said...

Hi All,
The Somerset record office is open 2 days per week and I shall be able to visit each week as I live in North Petherton.
I can do any look ups, photos or copies as required for a minimal expense fee. I can send to you by post or email.
I shall post any documents details of interest as I find them in the same format of my previous posting above.
I cannot charge for the information I give you, just my time and charges for photo copies or camera charge that I have to pay the record office.
Should you wish my help please contact pmarshall8@toucansurf.com.

D R Lawhead said...

I have also traced my lineage back to Henry Tudor and Agnes Blewitt. Through 8 generations of Edwards and 6 generations of Kraus/Crouse/Croufe (it changed twice). Now ofcourse there is no way to prove that Richard was King Henry's son. But it would make perfect sense that he would deny Richard. The last thing that he would want is a bastard son of a whore (excuse my language) to take the crown. But not just any body was born in the King's castle. So there was an importance.

Kate said...

I've read some posts suggesting that there were two Richard Edwards that were born and died around the same time in England. Of course, this could lead many amateur genealogists (like myself) to assume they are the same person. This has to do specifically with whether the Richard who was Agnes' son was married to Margaret Babb or Helen Griffith or both. My ancestry seems to be through whoever was married to Margaret, but unfortunately I have no real way of knowing if that Richard was Agnes' son. Does anyone know of any actual evidence or records to indicate whether Richard had one wife or two? I'm afraid this is a case where being confined to doing most of my research online (and not crossing the pond to do the actual legwork) will likely lead to false information. Obviously, the desire to link oneself to Henry VIII would be tempting to anyone, but a serious amount of skepticism is required when you’re dealing a genealogical connection to such an (in)famous person.

Belinda Pence said...

I also am a descendant of Henry VIII and Agnes Blewett. We live in NC.

Edwards granddaughter said...

I've found a link in my tree to Richard Edwardes, too. But between me and Richard is that messy family of Sir Thomas Nathaniel Edwards. Some sources say I descend from Thomas's son Joseph. Others say Joseph is Thomas's grandson. I'm convinced, if there really was a Joseph in that family, he was a the child of Thomas's son William Harrison Edwards. Or maybe Joseph is somebody's middle name. And there's a Polly/Dolly/Isabel/Isbel Chalmler/Chamber/Chermer/Creamer who was William's wife.

Joseph's descendants ended up in the US South. John Edwards (Joseph's grandson, I think) married Olive Exum, a documented descendant of the House of Plantagenet, and also of the controversial Ruffin/Ruthven line of the House of Stewart.

So when are they going to start calling me the Countess of Delaware?

Anonymous said...

I'm a descendant of Richard Edwardes. Richard Edwardes > Richard Edwardes Jr. > Joshua Edwards > William Edwards > Thomas Edwards > Robert Thomas Edwards > Sir Thomas Nathaniel Edwards > John Crawford Edwards > Samuel Edwards > James Drew Edwards > Eaton W. Edwards > George Henry Edwards > Roger George Edwards > Roger Garvin Edwards > Larry Lee Edwards > aaaaannnd ME!

No matter how diluted my "royal" blood may be, it's still a fascinating idea. I've always been told my facial structure spoke of British royal lineage. Haha!

My question is though -- wouldn't having an heir rank higher than preserving the sanctity of marriage? Why would King Henry Tutor VIII not claim a male heir, even illegitimate? (IF this is even true, there's no hard proof.)

Eh, one of those questions I'll ask when I meet my ancestors on the other side I guess. lol

Oh, I'm from the "Edwards of Northampton" line... mainly Southampton Co., VA and Northampton Co., NC. My family and I reside in Northampton.

Sarah said...

I am also a decendant, just to touch on what the last annynomas said about the facial structure. I look almost identical to our ancester's half sister, Mary I. It was really intresting when I cam across a painting of her when she was my age.

Janine said...

I too have direct lineage to Richard Edwards thru his son William who owned a piece of land in Jamestown, according to a copy of a 1600s map that I obtained from the "Old Williamsburg" archives in Virginia fifteen years ago.

My great, great, grandfather John Alonzo Edwards migrated to Texas in the 1860s from the Carolinas. He settled in Palo Pinto County and went into the cattle business and was a trail driver. He took cattle all the way to Oregon. He was famous for the JAL brand that was later sold to the Cowden cousins in Midland, Texas.
Does anyone have a connection here?
LaVelle

Anonymous said...

Wow, I've been on Ancestry dot com for about a month now tracing back my family and have discovered today that I too am related to this King through Edwards as well. If you want any information I have gathered you may e-mail me at tndthib@gmail.com

~Denisha Thibodeaux

Pam said...

I'm a descendant of Samuel Edwards, but until yesterday I had no idea of his lineage. I'm not sure about the Henry VIII thing through Richard Edwardes, but it would certainly explain my fascination with the Tudors. I just wish someone had DNA proof.

Anonymous said...

You can't touch royalty with a stick, let alone DNA testing. I should think if Henry was needing a son so badly, a bastard would have been better than nothing. He could have had his mistresses husband killed (in a freak accident), and then married her. But then, it would look messy, her having two children previously. Interesting that he should pay for the lads education, and give the woman some land, to keep things quiet. Perhaps he was hoping yet for a son through his wife(s). To be honest, I should think the royals would have had the boy killed, for wouldn't he have been a threat, being Henry's only son, and therefore rightful heir to the crown? Just a thought.

K8 said...

Offing his mistress's husband may have been trickier than you would think. Consider Elizabeth I and her rumored lover Robert Dudley: Dudley's wife Amy died after falling down a flight of stairs, and even though it's likely that it was indeed an accident, the fact that it would have been convenient for the Queen and Dudley to have Amy out of the picture looked bad. Because of the possibility of it having been a murder (although an official inquiry into the case determined that it wasn't), Amy's death effectively ruled out a marriage between Elizabeth and Dudley. Royals may have been at the mercy of public opinion less so than modern politicians, but had to deal with it none the less.

Additionally, royal bastards have in most cases been allowed to live as long as they don't cause trouble. In fact, they were regularly given excellent positions in either government and/or the church as long as it seemed that they had no aspirations to the crown. Plenty of kings had several bastards that lived normal(ish) lives and have descendants that are now living.

Anyway, my point is that finding examples of royal bastards that produced progeny is easy. Verifying who one's ancestors are, figuring out their parentage, and identifying false ties to famous people is the hard part. I wouldn't be surprised if most people with European heritage were related to royalty of some kind, whether it be through legitimate children or bastards.

Anonymous said...

Ok I'm about to add some real interesting information to this debate. I am myself a direct descendant of Agnes and Richard. Blewitt is a English spelling for Bloet. I discovered that looking into Agnes' genealogy. Bloet comes from Normandy, France and the family came to Wales around the time of the Norman conquest. Walter Bloet (Agnes' Great x 15 Grandfather) was granted Raglan Castle. It was held by the family to the 1400's. Largely the English nobility in positions of power were of Norman descent of course due to their conquest. This would of made Agnes Blewitt of nobility following her tree so she could not of been a commoner. Henry VII was raised at Raglan Castle, the father of Henry VIII was left in the custody of William Herbert whose father married into the Bloet's with his marriage to Blizbeth Bloet. So the families were fairly acquainted to each other through Henry VII. So the possibility Agnes was in the court of King Henry VIII is VERY POSSIBLE. Through his father it is easy to conclude that Henry VIII would of had a large impression and a lot of contact with Agnes' family. This may be how they knew each other if not just their families. It's highly possible they had contact with each other for years. This is just facts being use to support this claim. It also gives another very possible reason why Henry VIII did not claim Richard, he didn't want to bring shame upon the family who raised his father. That is just pure speculation, but it's the same thing detectives do trying to solve a mystery. The fact Henry gave an estate to the family (Edward Halls) in Wales and paying for him to attend Oxford is curiously odd to do for no reason. Richard became a fairly accomplished poet and playwright. He even wrote and directed "Damon and Pythias" at the renown Globe. The only time it was preformed there guess who happened to show up. Elizabeth I Queen of England, daughter of Henry VIII, Richard's possible half sister. Is this all just coincidence, mere fate, or is it a fact Richard is a illegitimate son of Henry VIII? This evidence is very astonishing. I conclude Richard is Henry VIII son, I am 98% sure of it. What do you all think?

My e-mail is ojump0ffacliff89@aol.com

Anonymous said...

Very interesting point of view. I like it and think it is very plausible.I do believe that Richard was Henry's son. Personally, I would rather be a descendant of the Edwards family that the Tudors. Henry and all of the royals were a lousy bunch.

K8 said...

Unfortunately, I think you're making a lot of leaps there. Being an English history buff, no one would love it more than I would to find that Richard Edwardes (also my direct ancestor) is a son of Henry VIII, but here's why it's unlikely:

1. One of the main issues concerning Richard Edwardes is that there were two of them: one that may or may not be an illegitimate child of Henry VIII, one that was a poet (and did indeed perform for Elizabeth I) but had no Tudor connections whatsoever. The lives of these two people have been tangled almost hopelessly by amateur genealogists. The first step would be telling the two apart, which I believe would take a much closer examination of all the original records and is beyond online research (now if only my husband will agree to that trip to the UK…).

2. The issue you raise concerning Agnes’ last name deserves some closer examination. Firstly, the assumption that she had to have been high nobility based on her last name and connection to Raglan Castle isn’t necessarily a safe one. The English peerage then (and now) was big. Even a couple generations removing her from the direct line of Blewitts/Bloets who held Raglan Castle would be enough to diminish her nobility substantially. Furthermore, Henry was at odds with the Welsh for much of his reign. It’s a mistake to assume that she was of such high nobility that she and Henry HAD to have met at some point, although it’s a possibility.

3. Even if you take for granted that Agnes and Henry probably met (which while possible is already a leap), it’s an even greater leap to assume that they had a sexual relationship because they met. Henry had a track record for going after anything in a skirt, sure, but it would have been superhuman for him to have slept with EVERY female noble in his kingdom, or even most of them.

4. Finally, even if you take for granted that they met, had sex, and produced a child, there’s no reason at all why Henry wouldn’t have acknowledged the progeny. His mistress Bessie Blount gave birth to a son by Henry who the King would later make Duke of Richmond. Henry then attempted to pass a law allowing this son to be his heir and the eventual King of England. Considering Henry’s famous desire to have a son (and bearing in mind that at the time Richard was born he was still in desperate need of a male heir), he would have acknowledged him. If lopping of Anne Boleyn’s head was fair game to Henry in order to get a male heir, I think that any embarrassment that might have arisen from his impregnating a member of the family that raised his father would not have been enough to stop him. Maybe it wouldn’t even have been an embarrassment—if a female relative was sharing a bed with and possibly had the ear of the King, it was usually a good thing that demanded exploitation.

At any rate, there’s no way I would even give the probability of Richard’s father being Henry VIII a 12%, let alone a 98%. Some of the information on Agnes’s family’s origins might amount to circumstantial evidence, but I think even that is generous. I personally would need a lot more hard evidence before I add Henry VIII to my family tree.

Anonymous said...

I'm revisiting this post a little under a year after my original posting. I came across it again researching my Edwards grandfather to clarify and fill in some holes. I noticed the newest posts are recent, so the burning question is:

As an amateur genealogist, where should I go from Richard Edwardes? Should I list him as adopted by William Edwardes and biologically Henry's, then build upon both lines? Or should I simply ignore the Tutor connection, considering there is no way humanly possible to confirm Richard's connection to the Tutor family and his illegitimacy?

Amazing how far this simple question has gone.

K8 said...

I think the last post hits on an important issue that every genealogist has to address: how certain of someone's lineage do you have to be (or want to be) before you add someone to your tree? I myself like to have some pretty convincing proof. Genealogy stops being fun when you start making assumptions and are less and less certain that the people you are researching has anything to do with you and your bloodline.

As someone in the same position of deciding whether or not Henry VIII should be in my tree or not, I will give you the answer I came to: no. The main reason I came to that decision is the first point I made in my last post. There were at least two Richard Edward(e)s in England at the time whose lives have become tangled by online genealogists. They are so confused that I don't think it's possible to figure out who is who with online research alone. Bear in mind also that ANY instance of a famous person appearing in one's bloodline needs to be treated with the utmost suspicion. Sadly, there are a lot of bad genealogists that let their desire to be linked to notable people cloud their research. They are the people that make working on genealogy much harder for those who just want to know the truth, whether that truth involves royalty or not. I personally have stopped researching the Edwards line altogether because I can't be sure of any of the online information relating to him.

That said, there's no reason why you can't research Henry VIII's genealogy with the knowledge that there is only a very very slight chance that he is a direct ancestor and still enjoy it. I recommend checking out Alison Weir's work on the Tudors: she's devoted a lot of time to researching them and has a writing style that's makes the history fun to read. Henry VIII is an interesting person whether you're his long lost bastard descendant or not.

Momarch said...

I stumbled across this Q & A while searching for info on Agnes Bluwitt and Richard... I am also a descendent. When this popped up on ncestry.com my 1st response was they may be wrong ! HA. Now I read the prior Q&A....I think there could be a slight possbility, but more reseach before I add him.

TAA

Anonymous said...

For ethical reasons I must retract everything I've said in this thread thus far (as EdwardsGranddaughter or whatever name I used). I said a lot of Internetsy bullcrap that I naively thought was valid. Olive Exum is not a proven Plantagenet descendant; on top of that, I can't even prove that she was an Exum. Marmaduke Edwards was indeed the son of a woman named Olive but I can't prove that his father was named John, let alone that Marmaduke's grandfather was really Joseph Edwards of Halifax. But I'm certain thousands of people are quoting my junk around the Internet as fact. Yuck. Away with it.

In the meantime...please, anybody whose tree goes back to Thomas Nathaniel Edwards, Robert Hael Edwards, Elizabeth Hael, and all those other fantasy creatures...check your facts. Check them using nothing but real documents. Leave pseudo-genealogical compilations and amateur homepages alone. Our history has been hideously perverted and I've seen proof of this - chat with me about the actual origins of Joseph Edwards of Halifax, who has been flagrantly cut-n'-pasted as a son of Thomas Nathaniel Edwards and Isabel Downing...alternately as a son of William Edwards and one of the infinite number of wives this man apparently kept in his harem. In brief, his father was another Joseph and his grandfather yet another Joseph, who was a grown man in Maryland by the time Thomas Nathaniel Edwards was supposedly born in Wales (1690).

As for Richard Edwardes: does it not bother any of you that he was supposed to be "the other Shakespeare", and yet NONE of his works exist today? Does it not bother you that he was supposed to be a Renaissance celebrity and yet nobody, absolutely NOBODY in the modern world except his supposed descendants, has heard of him?

And does it not bother you that the only people claiming descent from Richard Edwardes are also claiming descent from the probably-fictitious Manhattan Island characters like Robert Haello Edwards and Thomas Nathaniel Edwards?

That we all have felt connected to royal blood since birth doesn't mean real, honest, painstakingly factual genealogy is below our league.

K8 said...

Thank heavens: another genealogist who isn't so wrapped up in royalty hunting that they are willing to accept any lie that backs up their fantastic ancestry. I'm also glad that I'm not the only one lamenting the rashes of woefully under-researched genealogy sites on the internet. I get that it's fun to discover that you're descended from someone famous, but seeking out "proof" while ignoring any facts that don't work with the fantasy is just plain stupid. Worse, it's muddled the issue for everyone. If you insist on having shoddy research practices, at least resist the urge to broadcast your findings.

Krystyn said...

My father's cousin made a book for my father and uncles a few years back that ranged from Richard Edwards as the first entry down to me and my 15th generation cousins. She put a lot of notes and random information among the entries, and I find it funny that something I thought was her including a random fact" about Thomas Edwards turns out to be a real controversy: Edwards Millions!
I would love it if anyone who might have genealogy books of their own could contact me and we could collaborate to figure out where our line goes: commanderwolfy@gmail.com

Also: Hi fellow Edwards! I'm part of a clan in the NW United States.

Anonymous said...

A number of years ago, I found a couple of old books of Welsh genealogy at a used book store.My copies were printed in 1884. I have Vol.4 and 6. I see some of these books have been scanned and are for sale in paperback. They are
"The History of The Princes, The Lords Marcher, and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog by Lloyd.
Vol.IV, Page 64 has a mention of a William Edwards connection with Henry VIII. His wife and children however do not match. The mention is as follows:
"William Edwards of Plas Newydd, Constable of Chirk Castle, Keeper of the Black Park, and one of the Bodyguard to King Henry VIII. The King granted him permission to have the Vizer of the Helmet over his Arms, open, so that the face might be seen, and granted him also this motto, "A fynno Duw derfydd," He made a vault in the Eglwys y Waun (Chirk Church), for himself and his family. He died in 1532. He married Catherine, daughter of John Hookes of Ledbroc (argent, a chevron inter three owls azure), and by her, who died in the same year as her husband, he had issue five surviving sons and four daughters: - 1. John Edwards; 2, William Edwards of Cefn y Wern; 3, Richard Wynn, who married Mabel, daughter of Richard ab Maredydd ab Howel; 4, Sir David Edwards, Vicar of Meifod; and 5, Edward Wynn, who married Janet, daughter of Gruffydd."
It goes on to give the history of the children.

Anonymous said...

I have a degree in English literature with a specialization in Rennaisance English lit. I can assure Annonymous that Richard Edwardes was, indeed, a well known and admired poet, playwright, composer and songwriter at the time of the reign of Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. He was one of her closest friends and as such his name is found on the List of the Queen's Chamber and the List of the Royal Chapel. There is a painting of him standing with Elizabeth on the steps of St. Mary's Church. He was the Master of the Children's Choir under Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. He wrote Philaemon and Arcyte, a play with music in 1566 and many songs, among them, When Gripping Griefs, and others which he composed for voice and lute. He, also, composed liturgical music. Much of this music is available today as sheet music and some on CD. While some of his works may be lost others survive and can be read on line or in the many books published today about him, his works and his influence on the literature and music of his time. Other plays are Misogomus, and Palamon and Arcite. His most famous poem is Amantium Irae Amoris Redintegratio Est or Going to My Naked Bed (also can be read on line) which was published along with 9 more of his poems in Paradyse of Daynte Devices. It was even reported in the contempoary news what he wore at both Queen Mary Tudor's funeral and Queen Elizabeth's Coronation. He doesn't sound like a nobody to me. Whether or not he is a son of Henry VIII he is my ancestor and I am very proud of him. I am a professional harpist and I believe I and many of the other musicians in my family inherited our talent from him.

Anonymous said...

all of the comments on Richard Edwards and King Henry are true, however he was not the one in queston here, Richard King Henry was known as the Black Knight, due to the clothes he wore he was inprisoned in the Tower and put to death/he was of the House of York Duke of Clarence I believe , the Manhattan Story is true, after 20 yrs of research, just abt. 6 months ago, I located and acquired copies of Original Land Grants, there are several. The very beginning of the Edwards name began with Robert 1190 Robert De Caen son of Henry 1. he was named by Henry as Earl of Gloschester, he married and had sons who married and from this line dec. the De Clare Planagent Line of the House of Stuart. and Heirs to the throne, Lady Moody of the Brooklyn NY Settlement also in the line.

Anonymous said...

My surnames starting with great great grandfather are Norris, Burk or Burke, King(3 generations), Edwards or Edwardes (7 generations) ending with Richard Edwards abt 1523 to 25-1566. From there, of course, no proof of who Richard's father was. Anyone else have this trail of surnames?

Mister Cheek said...

This is all very amusing and quite silly. As I understand it, genealogy without documentation is myth.

Anonymous said...

I have traced my family geneology back to Henry VIII. My family still carries the name Edwards, and I was wondering if there were any documentation that states Richard was the illegitimate son of Henry?

wobbles25 said...

Wow everybody is on the bandwagon. IF it is on the internet, you need to look at the documentation! As far as William Edwards of Jamestowne, VA being a sone of Richard... WRONG! I am a direct descendant of this William Edwards with proven lineage (primary and secondary sources). William came to Jamestowne in 1648 with his wife Dorothy. William and Agnes Edwards you all speak of left a will probated May 1621 in Somerset county, UK I have a copy... Agnes Will was probated the same day as well. Edwards Hall never existed either! I have a document from Glagmorganshire, Wales in which they state. "If Edwards Hall ever existed, they do not know of it." This is why you cant take other peoples research without checking it with documention! All of you have been duped!

Edwards Family Researcher
Jamestowne Society Member #6456

Anonymous said...

Reading this has been a riot! It reminds me of all of the people who have been hypnotized and discovered they were Cleopatra in a previous life! Or, if you look at all of the reliquaries in Europe, John the Baptist must have had a couple thousand fingers and the true cross must've been the size of several giant sequoias!

Okay, that said... I have traced my ancestry from Richard and Margaret Babb Edwards, through Thomas Nathaniel and Isabelle Downing Edwards, Jacob and Effie Spiers Edwards, Captain John and Hannah Meeker Edwards, Timothy and Martha Miller Edwards, Thomas Jefferson and Clarissa Shotwell Edwards, George Musgrove and Sarah Elizabeth Hostetter Edwards, Samuel Finley and Eula Gertrude Edwards and - my dad and mom - George Henry and Marian Weiss Edwards. I don't really care if I have the inbred blood of European royals in me. I just think it's pretty cool to trace this stuff.

If anyone has anything that goes back before Agnes' husband, I would be most interested. Even if Richard was the bastard son of Henry VIII, the man who raised him was his true "father", imho.

Thank you all for the entertainment. ^_^

cyn said...

I have no desire to be a "royal". I found information (unverified) that Agnes was pregnant when she married William- with that one could leap that the child born -named Richard was a bastard heir. I am a direct ancestor of Jennetta Edwards which is bad enough, but toss in the Wooten and Randolph lines and I want to run screaming from the building. It is my deepest desire that I could get the lines straight. If there is anyone from this line (Edwards/Wooten/Randolph please contact me!

Anonymous said...

RICHARD EDWARDES, son of William, was born March 1525. Richard married
*MARGARET BABB in 1560 and they had a son, William, born 09 Nov 1561.
RICHARD remarried to Helen Griffith in 1663 and from their union came *RICHARD,
born 1581; John born 15 March 1565, died 06 Dec 1604, his wife was Ellenor Pursloe;
Elizabeth, born 1584; Thomas, born 1599; Abigail; Judith; Gwyn; Marie.

Anonymous said...

Here is another website with some info..
http://www.associatepublisher.com/e/h/he/henry_viii_of_england.htm

Anonymous said...

I wish I could upload a photo for whoever said Edwards hall does not exist.. It does not anymore but it did and I have a etching of it . If anyone wants a copy, email me at ladyhally@live.com

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous, who said this,
I have a degree in English literature with a specialization in Renaissance English lit..
I have looked everywhere for the portrait you mentioned with Elizabeth on St,Mary's Steps with Richard Edwardes.. where can I find it? Please email me at ladyhally@live.com

Gidian said...

Hi cousins my name is Gidian Edwards and like all of the great relatives am also related to none other than yup Richard Edwards and King Henry the eighth looking back we go back to Alfred the great 849 ad. don't stop looking as for the little branches in the linage. my email is gidianedwards97@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

I have a direct family line from thomas the son of thomas nathaniel. Joseph was not on the family tree. My nan god rest her soul knew her great grandfather who was an henry edwards who told her of his grandfather thomas of 1723. The son of thomas nathaniel who was the son of robert thomas edwards. Thomas of 1723 and his brothers were left a will by their grandfather robert. 3 left for the states. I have linked ALL of the family and was lucky my side were all male coming down until my nan. I have other SOLID proof that this line is a GENUINE line.

n2relics said...

I too am a descendant of Richard Edwards. I consider myself to be a descendant of Henry Tudor and it is listed as such in my Family Tree. In researching this matter I believe kinship is evident and the "cherry on top" is the fact that the Tudor rose was added to Agnes Blewitt's family crest.

Francheska Henderson said...

Glad I found this. I too am another person with Anges/Richard Edwards blood! I am not royalty hunting. I have TONS of trees now going back to other kings of England and Scotland. For that matter kings and rulers in my tree go back to Cleopatra the 1st of all things after that other funny Cleopatra comment someone left.
It seems we may know the complete truth, but the odds look in favor of yes. I would prefer it not to be because who really wants to think of one of our great grandfathers being Henry VIII? If the real husband of Agnes was the father why would she claim it was the king? Her husband had a decent enough bloodline himself. Even though I don't care much for Henry the VIII it is typical people get on here and think we are in a fantasy world just looking for famous people to be related to. So what if you/ we are or are not. If they were famous it is certainly easier to learn about them! That is the nice part. God knows my name isn't going down in history books for being related to many kings. I just like to learn about my ancestors, family members who I never knew, yet lived and made me the person who I am today. Famous or not I feel a love for them. Just maybe not Henry the 8th! Lol. After the way I have been treated by men in life it doesn't shock me a bit he is most likely a great grandfather. ;)

Teri said...

I love reading all of this Henry the VIII stuff! Tudor is one of my family names, as is Edwardes. There is this DNA thing if we really want to know. Henry was a disgusting, brutal, egotistic, and downright terrible person....who in their right mind would WANT to be related to him?

Rebecca said...

I pooh-pooh genealogy sites that post Edwards Millions and Richard Edwardes information without a disclaimer, but I still acknowledge that the legend could be true. I have felt an intimate filial connection to Henry VIII since the first time I read about him as a child, disturbing though the man was. I personally give credence to "psychic genealogy" and let it guide my research whenever I get totally lost. But I would not post my unverified intuitive findings on the internet without a disclaimer bigger than the post itself. As of now, I cannot even prove that my Edwards line goes back to Richard, let alone that Richard was Henry's son, though I sense both points are true.

Rebecca said...

I pooh-pooh genealogy sites that post Edwards Millions and Richard Edwardes information without a disclaimer, but I still acknowledge that the legend could be true. I have felt an intimate filial connection to Henry VIII since the first time I read about him as a child, disturbing though the man was. I personally give credence to "psychic genealogy" and let it guide my research whenever I get totally lost. But I would not post my unverified intuitive findings on the internet without a disclaimer bigger than the post itself. As of now, I cannot even prove that my Edwards line goes back to Richard, let alone that Richard was Henry's son, though I sense both points are true.

Janis said...

If there is anything I hate worse is to follow the incorrect lineage by those that supplied their data to hopeful wishes.

By the records of my Johnson and Edward family tree on ancestry.com, it takes me to King Henry VIII.

I plan on bookmarking this forum and reading each and every comment along with the historians who are posting their information.

Thank you and best wishes to each of you.

Happy Hunting!

Anonymous said...

Hi edwards! according to my research on ancestry.com I'm and Edwards...decendant of Henry VIII as well...We should have a family reunion! :) Jill Marie Stillman Colonia, NJ

Jill Stillman said...

Sorry to those who are annoyed by all the Edwards decendants; but...here's yet one more! : :):):)
Logically,with the many years which have passed and the large size of families in past centuries; there are going to be many, many Tudor decendants. I say instead of arguing about it; we all join our forces and take our NYC land back! I am however, having a hard time figuring out how Richard Edwards (who I am a decendant of) is a relative of Rober Edwards who received the Land Grant of lower Manhattan by Queen Ann. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

And, sorry to bust your bubble those who wish to remain the exclusive decendants of Tudor blood; but, sites like Ancestory.com now make it possible to have access to public records which allow users to trace their ancestor quickly and easily. This is another reaon that there seems to be a "boom" in decendants. It only makes sense with the many years that have passed and the large size of families in past centuries that their would be millions of decendants. No offense snooty non-believers; but, Duh....Don't embarass yourself by sounding so ignorant.

Patrice Barfield said...

I am supposed to be a relative as well. Who knows! If am and you are- hello family!

Patrice Barfield said...

I found out today that I'm supposed to be connected to Richard Edwardes. Who knows... if I am and you are hello family.

redqueen said...

redqueen...thats me. I had been dubbed redqueen many years ago for my card game. According to my geneology, Elizabeth I is my 13th Grandmother through Richard Edwards. I was astonished to learn the Red Queen playing card was a portrait of myself. Strange as it sounds, the Red Queen is always with me. I have enjoyed reading all of your comments. If you would like to contact me at redqueen269@yahoo.com.

Anonymous said...

I too am a descendant through Elizabeth E. Edwards marrying James H. Brown, whose granddaughter, Sarah A. Brown married my great-great grandfather, William M. Thomas. Small world!

Derrick Edwards said...

According to ancestry.com I am a direct descendant of Richard Edwards. My line can be traced back through the patriarch all the way down to me. I would love for a credible historian to weigh in on this.

Anonymous said...

Hello I am also descended from Richard Edwards, he is my 13th GGF which makes Henry VIII my 14th..I've researched this subject and it says that Richard was mingled into the Royal Family and that he got special privileges that a regular person would not receive and when he was baptized he was not acknowledged as being William Edwards son..

Anonymous said...

I too am a decendant of Richard,,my lineage goes down to Peter Edwards married to Rhoda Clark my 4th great grandparents

Anonymous said...

Good heavens,,so much controversy over this,,Its my feeling that if Richard Edwards was not the illigitmate son of Henry VIII why would Agnes be given the Tudor Rose,and why would Richard be singled out to receive the highest education and be brought into the Royal household if he were not the son of Henry VIII legitimate or not,,over his siblings,Henry VIII didnt acknowledge every child he had,but he did make sure they were well cared for,,and as for historians poo pooing the idea,,it is very plausible and all findings are pointing to the fact that he IS the son of Henry VIII ,that doesnt nessicarly make him heir to the throne,and I myself dont even like this Royal King,,so being a direct decendant of Richard Edwards and Being a 14th great grand daughter of Henry VIII is NOT something i would proudly display on my tree,,Historians are ALWAYS saying people are looking for someone famous to put on their tree,,I dont need to do that as i have plenty of other Direct Documented lineages,,The Spencer Line for one,,the Hungerford line and the list goes on,,

Anonymous said...

and another thing,Royals didnt nessisarily go around picking up Commoner women off of the street ,most had mistresses that were blood related to keep the wealth and power in the family ,and MOST Royals and Nobles were a close knit bunch who kept to the same bloodline amongst themselves

Teri said...

I feel the same as anonymous....I am not proud of the fact that Richard may have been H8's son...he was a ruthless despicable human being. But, there is this thing called DNA that could prove this one way or the other! There are many DNA tests going on in many families right now....I am sure there is legitimate Tudor blood that could be tested with the Edwardes blood.

Anonymous said...

To D R LAWHEAD,That Woman who birthed the *bastard son* was NOT a WHORE!! she was married at the time and the King CHOSE her!! no where does that make her a cheap slut,and it doesnt make her son Richard Edwards,,Unworthy of the throne!! there is a REASON for so much secrecy ...it LOOKS like they went to ALOT of trouble to hide the connection between Henry VIII and Richard Edwards if there is one,,its my opinion that there is something there that they wanted to keep hidden for all eternity,,there are no photos of him,,all his writings have been hidden or destroyed ,PLUS HENRY VIII wouldnt have taken Richard Edwards into the Royal household,,Payed for his Education and Gave the Tudor Rose to Agnes Blewett if she was......JUST A WHORE!!

Emmy J said...

I've just been reading some of this thread, as my tree (on ancestry) has somehow been linked to someone who must think they are descended from King Henry VIII. However, the link with my ancestors seems to be erroneous even though they have included my whole family! They have recorded my direct ancestor as a bigamist, having children by two different husbands at the same time; they have recorded a third marriage for her 19 years after her death. Sloppy research - anything goes, find a fact and put it in however impossible! The Tudor part of their tree is (probably unintentionally) hilarious in its ludicrousness! Dates, places and people's names are just plain wrong - all facts that are easily checked. So to all out there - please check, double-check and check again your sources before you put information out in the public domain for all to see.

Emmy J said...

Redqueen said:

redqueen...thats me. I had been dubbed redqueen many years ago for my card game. According to my geneology, Elizabeth I is my 13th Grandmother through Richard Edwards. I was astonished to learn the Red Queen playing card was a portrait of myself. Strange as it sounds, the Red Queen is always with me. I have enjoyed reading all of your comments. If you would like to contact me at redqueen269@yahoo.com.


Emmy J's reply:
That's hilarious! (intentional or otherwise, and I am assuming it's tongue-in-cheek). I didn't know the Virgin Queen had any offspring so obviously she could not be anyone's 13x Grandmother. And I had a very amusing time last evening looking at various trees proclaiming that Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon got married in Connecticut, America in 1509 amongst other historical inaccuracies. (Did anyone tell the Pilgrim Fathers?)

Anonymous said...

I propose to locate at least one male desendant from each of Agnes Blewett' sons for a DNA match. I desend from Edmund Edwards of GA. Who desends from Rev. Richard Edwards. Edmund had three known brothers, Willian, Nathan, and John but no known sons. Agnes was mother to four sons, Henry, William, Christopher, and Rev. Richard Edwards. Surely they have a male line still living. I canbe contacted at goatman70084@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

The only way to know for sure is DNA. Any direct decendent MALE can submit a DNA sample and if Henry the VIII is in fact the father, DNA will confirm that.

Anonymous said...

If my research is correct, I too am a descendant of King Henry VIII. I would be his 15th great-granddaugher through his son Richard Edwardes.

It's my understanding through the research I've done, from various historians that Agnes, who was a royal herself, was a lady in the court when she had an affair with Henry VIII.

When she became pregnant he married her off to William Edwardes. Agnes & Henry's son was born - Richard Edwards in 1525 in Cardiff, Glamorgan, Wales. He died in 1566 St. Faith Parish, London, England.

There is no way to truly prove this but there is ample evidence to suggest that Richard was indeed Henry's son.

One point: Henry allowed Agnes use of the Tudor Rose. This showed she was under the protection of the King. It was not given to just anyone, certainly not to just any of his mistresses.

Here is more information:
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Illegitimate son of Henry VIII?
from website: http://jaimeadams.com/edwards.html

It is suggested in some documents including in the book Edwards' Legacy by David Dean Edwards (1992), that it was whispered among some Tudor researchers that Agnes was mistress to King Henry VIII of England and that the son RICHARD was fathered by King Henry and not by William. No solid proof has yet to be found if it ever will be, nor has solid proof been found that Richard was the son of William.

It will be up to the researcher as to which line to follow. I (website author) believe that the evidence leans more towards the fact that Richard was the "bastard" son of the King and Agnes and my documentation here will reveal that line. It is documented that Agnes did have a son named Richard, but only two sons, William and Henry are shown to be positively the sons of William.

Richard is said to have kept his Edwards last name out of shame for the indecency that his mother engaged in.

King Henry Tudor was born ca. 1491 and died ca. 1546.

He had a mistress named Agnes Blewitt who was born 1509 and she died ca.1575.

The one child of King Henry VIII Tudor and Agnes is Richard Edwards

It has also been suggested that Agnes was the wife of William Edwardes, born ca. 1500 in England and died ca. 1547.

The son Richard is the son that cannot be positively linked to William because records suggest that he was born from another man, King Henry VIII. He is known as the "bastard child" of Agnes. The two known children of William Edwardes and Agnes are William Edwards and Henry Edwards.

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BOOK: The Royal Bastards of Medieval England, by Chris Given-Wilson, Alice Curteis

POSTSCRIPT: THE TUDORS
“Yet the inability of Katharine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn to produce healthy male children was not entirely Henry’s fault, for he fathered at least one, and probably two, illegitimate sons by other women.

The most famous of these was Henry FitzRoy. He was born in 1519, the product of a royal liaison with Elizabeth Blount, lady-in-waiting to Katharine of Aaragon.”

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My comments cont:
Agnes Blewitt became pregnant while a mistress of Henry VIII around 1520. At that time Henry was married to his first wife, Katherine of Aragon.

Several historians say Henry was the father of Agnes's first son, Richard. Richard Edwardes (Edwards) took the name of his stepfather, William Edwardes.

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I have searched diligently for the book "Edwards' Legacy" but cannot find it.
If anyone knows where I can find this book, please let me know.

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I can be reached at ciarr@mail.com

Anonymous said...

Years ago my mother casually mentioned that we were related to the Tudors. Edmund Tudor wasn't the only Tudor in Wales, after all, and way back, we are Welsh. Maybe we really are related to THE Tudors, but I'm not holding my breath. I won't be pulling up to Buckingham Palace to claim my throne anytime soon.

I have to agree that if Henry VIII knew he had another male child, he would have acknowledged him. This Edwards claim seems extremely unlikely. People commenting on this thread clearly are taking speculation as fact.

Lily

Jayne Hinds said...

Hello all Edwards family, I am also a descendant from Richard Edwards, Richard, Joshua, William,Thomas, Robert,Thomas, James,Edward,Thomas, James, Lees,John, Thomas,Austin,Stephen and me. if anyone is of that line i would like to hear from you.

Robert Jaggars said...

The idea that Henry VIII was the father of Richard Edwardes has recently been discredited in Kelly Hart’s, The Mistresses of Henry VIII (2009):

“There are also suggestions that Richards Edwardes was Henry’s son. The evidence rests on him receiving an Oxford education that his family could not have afforded. There are many possible explanations for this: he could have had a benefactor, a scholarship, or perhaps his mother was the mistress of a rich man. Richard or his family may have impressed someone influential. Perhaps it was his father who paid - but there were many men who could have afforded to pay this and there is no reason to assume that it was Henry VIII. Richard Edwardes has many descendants who believe he was Henry’s son. This rumour seems to have originated from the Edwardes family themselves and not from contemporary source. Much of our (more dubious) information comes from family histories.

Edwardes’ mother, Agnes Blewitt, was not a courtier. She was from Somerset and is unlikely to have met Henry; he may have had affairs with low-born women, but they were unlikely to have lasted long. Mistresses needed to be able to dazzle at courtly accomplishments and this usually meant having had an aristocratic upbringing. It could cause offence to target wives and daughters of the highest in the land, but the king was also not expected to keep the company of women who were too far his social inferiors. A commoner may have held Henry’s attentions long enough for a casual fling and perhaps to conceive a child. Yet Henry may have considered his social inferiors for long-term mistresses, as he happily picked low-born ministers.

Edwardes was a poet, musician and composer who spent some time at Elizabeth’s court. He married Helene Griffith, which does not seem to have been an advantageous marriage. They had one son, William, who continued the Edwardes line by having sixteen children. Richard Edwardes died in 1566, three years after his marriage, and there is no evidence that links him to Henry VIII during their lifetime. Nevertheless the rumours persist.” (pp. 77-78).

Anonymous said...

Kelly Hart’s, The Mistresses of Henry VIII (2009) is only one book and only one 'historian.' Various historians see it differently. Let's not forget that Hart is the author of a book, not an historian.

Robert Jaggars said...

Your exactly right Anonymous.. just stated what I found , every genealogist will have to make up there own mind either to go with it or not... My theory is my own as yours :) I am connected to Henry 1st... on much better facts and research so I choose not to go here... have a good 4th all :)

Anonymous said...

I saw this Richard/Henry rumor several years ago. All very interesting and entertaining, if nothing else. My late mother-in-law was descended from James H. Edwards, apparently a son of Harvelin Edwards. I found a site linking him to a William E. born 1746 in Wales. Another site shows him as a son of Thomas E. and Elizabeth/Isabel Downing, but I'm not sure if this is all correct. There are so many Edwards with the same names, it's hard to distinguish one from the other. Anyone have any solid
documentation on this line?

Anonymous said...

A cousin has had the Edwards lineage confirmed through DNA tests,,,my Edwards Lineage is correct all the way to Agnes Blewett and beyond...Richarde Edwards is in the Royal DNA Database

Anonymous said...

I am a descendant of Richard Edwardes (Edwards) as well, son of Agnes Beupine Blewitt and Henry VIII. This comes from my G.Grandmother's Family Line. Her maiden name was: Edwards. My last name is: Goss.

Unknown said...

Very Cool info here. I started my research a couple weeks ago on Ancestry. I am an Edwards in Oklahoma of the line of Richard (I believe). My research shows my family coming to Oklahoma from Tennessee, from North Caroline, from Virginia, from Wales.

To the person who's cousin did a DNA test, I would love to know the course in which they did this as I'm very interested in confirming my lineage.

Hello Family!

amy said...

I am also a direct descendant of Agnes Blewit's son Richard. I hear rumors that the father was Henry VIII, but they seemed so outrageous I wanted to confirm them (I have been unable to do this). I have the original documents of the mysterious "Edwards Millions" which go to the heirs of Robert Edwards (descendant of Richard). My grandfather paid a genealogist to research the Edwards family and find our clan's crest. This is how i have the documents tracing my edwards line back to Richard.

after immigrating via Boston and Philly, my Edwards clan ended up in Pennsylvania. All were successful business men in eastern PA.

If anyone has any proof of this Henry VIII line, please email edwardsbrandt@gmail i'd love to swap info.

thanks,
amy

Anonymous said...

NO ONE HAS PROOF, AMY. STOP LOOKING. IT IS ALL ASSUMPTIONS. I HAVE ALWAYS SAID...DIG UP HENRY...PUT THIS TO REST ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

amy said...

All I asked was if anyone had confirmation documents, not a rude response.

Anonymous said...

a point regarding edwards hall it would not be known as edwards hal it would have been in welsh

Anonymous said...

I am a previous poster and direct descendant of one of the many Richard Edwards that immigrated to the United States around that time. The first ancestor that I feel comfortable claiming is Samuel Edwards "The Planter" who made his home in Northeastern North Carolina. Many of his ancestors, my family included, still reside in this area.

I am also in possession of one of the few remaining copies of "The Edwards of Northampton" by Bruce Montgomery Edwards. The book begins with the immigration of the Edwards clan and details the "Edwards Millions", but does not mention Agnes or the Tudor connection. You'd have to read "Edward's Legacy" by David Dean Edwards for that. It does, however, mention Edwards Hall, saying "nothing but a pile of rubble now remains to mark its location in this rough, hilly, rocky land." The fact the Glamorgan officials deny the very existence of "Edwards Hall" raises even more questions, and not just for the Tudor connection. Oh, and here's the link of the sketch mentioned in an earlier comment of "Edwards Hall": http://www.sallysfamilyplace.com/Wheeler/edwardshall.jpg. Looks like a castle. Any castle.

Because this is all merely SPECULATION, I have not included the Tudors in my genealogical work. (Though, if asked, I will bring it up as a tall tale.) Agnes being given the Tudor crest seems to be the most compelling argument used here. If that is even true, it could be due to the connection between the two families in the past, as mentioned in previous posts.

I am still looking for the painting of Richard and Elizabeth mentioned by the English lit commenter. I'm also curious about the DNA aspect of this -- is it even possible to trace an Edwards to the Tudor line? If so, "Anonymous" should make public the DNA results their "cousin" received to help put this to rest.

This whole mess has made me very disillusioned towards genealogical research. If you don't have the means to find hard evidence of a ancestral connection, even if it doesn't involve a famous historical figure, tread carefully. Check, double check, triple check dates. And consider that maybe the time and emotions invested isn't worth it.

Funny side note, a portrait of Elizabeth Woodville is my Facebook profile pic. I've heard: "Who did that painting of you?", "Whoa, doppelganger.", and "OMGOMGOMG reincarnation exists!" lol Just because you look like someone, doesn't mean there's a connection. It is neat though.

Jen Edwards

Sarah Lester said...

Hi Jen Edwards. I am a previous poster as well. I agree with you. You have scrutinize the information you are putting in your family tree. I have talked with a couple English Historians and they agree that they don't believe there is a connection to our Richard Edwards and the Henry VIII.
As for the DNA this would only work if you had a known male descendant with a male descendant of the Edwards clan. If I remember right. And as I can recall there isn't really anyone that can claim that. So the next thing would be to do a DNA comparison from the remains of Henry VIII himself which may or may not have any useable DNA. Also there would need to be an ok from the current royal family in order for that to happen. As I can recall there has been requests and of coarse they denied the requests.

I am wondering what the ramifications would be if our ancestor was actually an illegitimate son of Henry VIII. Personally, all I would want to know is if it were true that would be it. I know the person who started this claim to Henry VIII was someone who was trying to obtain land where present day Wall Street was which is one of the richest parcels of land. Some people's motives are not right.

I think it would be wonderful if we could prove it one way or the other.

Sarah Lester said...

Forgot to mention Jen Edwards. I have that same happening with a portrait of at the time of Princess Mary who later became Mary I of England. I found it when I was the same age as she. I showed it to my family and they thought I looked exactly like her :) I mean hair, eyes, nose, facial structure and everything! I have talked to a couple people about that too and for them that would solidify the claim. But I, like you, want that hard evidence to prove it.

Diane said...

I have also just traced my Edwards line back to Henry VIII. So he's my 15th great grandfather. I double checked dates all the way back as well to be sure. If anything, I just think it's a cool story. On another branch I'm related to Robert E Lee, Martha Washington from another, and Joan of Arch on one on my Mom's side. All just cool tidbits really. Our more recent stuff from Robert E Lee we actually have documents, civil war money, an old canon ball and some other goodies. It's been fun to research, super time consuming, but just interesting. Especially when you get back to war battle written recounts, etc. Fun stuff!

David Edwards said...

Like most everyone else I too may be related to Henry VIII. My last name is Edwards. My months of ancestry research leads me back to him. The story I read was that Henry stayed at a hunting lodge where Richard and Agnes lived and he got her pregnant who is supposed to be the connection. I was wondering if the lodge ruins are still there.

David Edwards said...

Like most everyone here, if it is true that Henry and Agnes had a son and she and her husband raised the child as an Edwardes, I am supposed to be a descendant. I say do the DNA and find out once and for all. I would like to know it there are any pictures of the area of land where the hunting lodge stood or if it or it's ruins are still standing.

Anonymous said...

Texas descendants
Henry was a womanizer from the age of 12 or so. Women simply did not turn their liege down and it is well to remember women were chattel to be used as family or husband saw fit, even to warming the kings bed. Wife or no wife it mattered not. If there was a child, more the better as it elevated the stature of the family noble or not. Babies were exchanged for stillborn, even disappeared when birth inconvenient. We cannot use modern mores and morals during the Tudor era. One must think in terms of lifestyle in the Tudor court.....which was to say something like a frat house gone wild. DNA is virtually useless because of intermarriage & line marriage. So we can dream or be contrary, it is what it is.