tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post8134063601569772028..comments2024-03-12T09:13:36.135-05:00Comments on Tudor Q and A: Question from Elizabeth M - Hever Castle portrait of Mary BoleynLarahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16630629272030282584noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-71707129592067241682009-04-03T12:08:00.000-05:002009-04-03T12:08:00.000-05:00The original of this portrait was in Warwick Castl...The original of this portrait was in Warwick Castle for many years, held in the Stuart period room which puzzled me until I read their guide book where they clearly say it was painted in the Stuart period, so well after her time. What gives it away is the Ermine fur trim on the sleeves. Only people of the rank Earl/Countess and above (and those with royal blood ) were allowed to wear this fur, outlined in the Sumptuary laws. So no way it's original.Hope that helps<BR/>JoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-66799201967648156522009-03-30T20:47:00.000-05:002009-03-30T20:47:00.000-05:00Sorry, I should perhaps have provided links to the...Sorry, I should perhaps have provided links to the portraits I was talking about.<BR/><BR/>PORTRAIT OF SIR WILLIAM CAREY (d. 1528) BY HORENBOUT<BR/>http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Carey,William01.jpg<BR/><BR/>PORTRAIT IDENTIFIED AS ANNE BOLEYN, BUT SUGGESTED AS A LIKENESS OF HER SISTER<BR/>http://tudorhistory.org/boleyn/boleynmin.jpg<BR/><BR/>(The only distinguishing feature is the Ormonde crest on the lady's broach, which Hui persuasively argues could have been worn by any of Anne's immediate female relatives - mother, sister or even sister-in-law, Jane. Coupled with Sir William's patronage of Horenbout, I think it makes this a very good possible likeness for Mary, rather than Anne.)Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-48768575928137351702009-03-30T20:45:00.000-05:002009-03-30T20:45:00.000-05:00The art historian Roland Hui delivered a paper on ...The art historian Roland Hui delivered a paper on Anne Boleyn's portraiture, in which he argued that the Horenbolte/Horenbout portrait allegedly of Anne was actually Mary Boleyn. Mary's husband, Sir William Carey, was a noted patron of the arts and one of Horenbout's earliest English patrons. There is a portrait of William, by Horenbout, and so it's entirely probable that a companion piece of Mary would have been painted at around the same time (c. 1526), making the age of the sitter tally with what we know of Mary's date of birth. However, on the subject of the Hever portrait of Mary Boleyn it probably dates from the 18th century, if not later. There's no firm documentation before then linking it to her, or Queen Anne, and the style of painting is far more similar of the 18th century than the 16th.Gareth Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09102113677858015813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-25866230359845639302009-03-29T13:21:00.000-05:002009-03-29T13:21:00.000-05:00I have reservations about this picture. There's no...I have reservations about this picture. There's no good documentation that it is Mary Boleyn in the first place. Who knows - it could be her, or it's an invented likeness. Or it was someone else mislabelled as Mary. <BR/><BR/>When the Astor family bought Hever Castle, they accumulated alot of so-called Boleyn artifacts to decorate their home (like the lute alledged to have belonged to Anne and some other items on display). Perhaps the 'Mary' painting was one of these purchasesRoland H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-42498888567260754522009-03-28T19:08:00.000-05:002009-03-28T19:08:00.000-05:00I'm interested in the Boleyns and Hever castle.I'm interested in the Boleyns and Hever castle.Tudorrosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-15859673712498446612009-03-28T17:43:00.000-05:002009-03-28T17:43:00.000-05:00This is the portrait at Hever called "Mary Boleyn"...This is the portrait at Hever called "Mary Boleyn" that is under discussion (sorry, I should have linked to it in the original post!)<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://tudorhistory.org/people/mboleyn/mboleyn.jpg" REL="nofollow">http://tudorhistory.org/people/mboleyn/mboleyn.jpg</A>Larahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630629272030282584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-84166988226402091982009-03-28T16:54:00.000-05:002009-03-28T16:54:00.000-05:00Sorry to be ignorant but which portrait is this? I...Sorry to be ignorant but which portrait is this? Is it the one with her wearing Ermine or a sketch?<BR/>It's worth noting that not a single definite portrait of Anne exisits from her lifetime, only a coronation medal which has her in the English gable hood. The rest are all definitely later and infact, the very famous image of her which everyone knows was for several hundred years identified as Mary Tudor, Henry's sister. Most of the "portraits" of Anne and Mary are Stuart at the earliest. <BR/>Jo xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-47157329171731910042009-03-26T09:28:00.001-05:002009-03-26T09:28:00.001-05:00It just seems odd that she would have a portrait t...It just seems odd that she would have a portrait taken of her. Maybe as Henry's mistress, but then again as far as I know Bessie Blount never had one done, and she even had a son by Henry. And she may have been the sister of the Queen, but George was the brother of a queen, besides having a title of his own, and he didn't get a portrait done either, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-79082014780184098512009-03-26T01:04:00.000-05:002009-03-26T01:04:00.000-05:00That's a thought I've had about the painting too. ...That's a thought I've had about the painting too. It matches a sketch also often tied to Anne.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com