tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post7055247021203535128..comments2024-03-28T15:16:29.965-05:00Comments on Tudor Q and A: Question from Peter - Inquisitions post mortemLarahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16630629272030282584noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-29171115482306434552014-09-21T04:53:29.704-05:002014-09-21T04:53:29.704-05:00Apologies for long delay in replying to shtove.
Y...Apologies for long delay in replying to shtove.<br /><br />Yes the link is my source.<br /><br />I now have a concern however about the text in brackets. Is this text an insert by the editors of the magazine or part of the original IPM?<br /><br />Peter Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05091033984969117733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-62818515047818565012014-06-07T17:34:20.596-05:002014-06-07T17:34:20.596-05:00This is your source, yes?
https://archive.org/str...This is your source, yes?<br /><br />https://archive.org/stream/genealogicalmaga3189unse#page/29/mode/1up<br /><br />That seems to be an interpretation of the original record. The term trustee is modern - it should be feoffee.<br /><br />PhD's description is excellent. <br />shtovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-3381602640517927952014-06-02T15:14:28.333-05:002014-06-02T15:14:28.333-05:00Dear PhD Historian you are ace.
According to the ...Dear PhD Historian you are ace.<br /><br />According to the Visitations of Yorkshire John Peck son of Richard<br />married Isabel Lacy daughter of John Lacy!<br /><br />Thank you so much for your fulsome explanation I am very very grateful.<br />PeterAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05091033984969117733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-2858459631217915672014-06-01T16:41:06.838-05:002014-06-01T16:41:06.838-05:00It would appear that the original Thomas Sayvile o...It would appear that the original Thomas Sayvile of circa 1421 established a trust to hold his property, so that legal ownership passed from Thomas to something like a corporation. Established by specific royal charters, trusts held all the property and other assets of the founder and maintained those assets for the benefit of whomever the original trust charter designated (usually the lineal heirs of the person who established the trust). In the pre-modern era, reasons to establish a trust included the strong possibility that the future heir would be a minor or a female, neither of which would be legally empowered to manage his/her own affairs. Trusts were also established by property owners who anticipated being out of the country for an extended period, in order to safeguard the individual’s property during that period of absence. (Did Sayvile accompany Henry V to France in June 1421?) The practice is still very much in use today as a way to minimize death duties or estate taxes. <br />Trusts were (and are) managed by varying numbers of trustees who, though usually compensated in some way for their services, are not themselves able to enjoy the full benefit of the property or assets. They are simply legal guardians, empowered to make any necessary major decisions about the management of the estate. For example, selling of assets or purchase of additional assets would require trustee approval. But trustees were not usually involved in day-to-day hands-on operation of the estate. They were more nearly akin to modern corporate boards of directors than to office-based senior management. Trustees were usually appointed from among the family and closest friends and associates. In pre-modern practice, offices of trusteeship were often inheritable, passed down through a family according to the same principals as property inheritance (primogeniture, etc). <br />From the way Inquisition is worded, we know that Henry Sayvile of Copley was appointed by Thomas Sayvile as one of the original trustees. Henry’s trusteeship then became part of his own inheritable estate, eventually passing to his lineal male heirs. I suspect that at some point the estates of Henry Sayvile skipped a generation, passing directly from grandfather to grandson, and the intermediate (non-inheriting) generation was represented by a female who married someone surnamed Peck/Peke. That is, Mr Unnamed Sayvile had only female issue, and eldest daughter NoName Sayvile married a Mr Peck. Mrs NoName Sayvile Peck had a son by Mr Peck but predeceased her own father, Mr Unnamed Sayvile. Thus Mr Unnamed Sayvile’s estate, including his office of trustee to the ancestral Sayvile trust, passed directly to his grandson Mr YoungMan Peck. And it remained thereafter with Mr YoungMan Peck’s heirs, including “John Peke, now living.” That is only speculation, however. A lot more genealogical research needs to be done before the precise nature of the relationship between the Sayviles and Pecks can be sorted out.<br />PhD Historianhttp://www.somegreymatter.comnoreply@blogger.com