tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post4399765398925403651..comments2024-03-28T14:17:26.219-05:00Comments on Tudor Q and A: Question from Marilyn R - Oliver Cromwell and Jasper TudorLarahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16630629272030282584noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-42553647599266676612023-03-21T07:28:02.557-05:002023-03-21T07:28:02.557-05:00Grant Williams, my gggrandmother was born in this ...Grant Williams, my gggrandmother was born in this line. We are distant cousins. Please contact me at bwcobb54@gmail.com or 409-893-2680. I live in Texas. I would love to know more about our Williams ancestry.Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09326940648542205062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-13162637851673179762023-03-20T22:28:45.811-05:002023-03-20T22:28:45.811-05:00I congratulate all of those who have found this an...I congratulate all of those who have found this and found out you are a descendant of Morgan Williams, because not only might we be related to the Tudors, Its is documented that we are Definitely descendants of Vortigern, King of the Britons. Not only that but we can trace our familial lines back to Euddolen ab Afallach who was born in 35BCE! So once again congrats to all my family who manage to find this. with love Grant Williams.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-2574478385126572112021-10-31T17:51:32.795-05:002021-10-31T17:51:32.795-05:00I have been tracing my family history and i am rel...I have been tracing my family history and i am related to the cousin of oliver cromwell and joan of tudor. It was only because my cousin found another line in 17th century i crossed refrence google with dnaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11683428349594331184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-68331706033381066052021-09-18T14:26:22.650-05:002021-09-18T14:26:22.650-05:00I stand by my last comment of last April-April 202...I stand by my last comment of last April-April 2021. I deeply respect the reputation and scholarship of Professor Griffiths. He is a scholar and historian of the highest order. However, I must disagree with the good Professor on the issue of whether Jasper Tudor had illegitimate children. First, human nature makes it improbable that a typical heterosexual male living in the 15th century would lack lustful desires towards attractive females. After all, Jasper's bother Edmund impregnated and married the youthful female ward who became Henry VII's mother. Most likely, if Jasper remained celibate, he would probably become a cleric. Instead, Jasper lived a life of escapes, many "close calls" and capturing and defending castles against heavy odds. He also lived life as an alleged outlaw and fugitive. Jasper's life at that time mirrors a 15th century version of James Bond Agent 007. Jasper's romantic life would be sporadic and "love on the run". Jasper probably had illegitimate children during that time. This life was not the quiet one of a monk in a monastery.<br />Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09326940648542205062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-84436039415565798232021-09-17T23:35:56.582-05:002021-09-17T23:35:56.582-05:00Whoever Morgan Williams motger ir father was, he i...Whoever Morgan Williams motger ir father was, he is the ancestor of Roger Willians, the famous founder of the state of Rhode Island and of the doctrine of separation of church and state. This a proven descent. Cathayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14502354801944433731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-31258220374285622152021-09-17T13:26:54.046-05:002021-09-17T13:26:54.046-05:00Lady Joan Tudor was the daughter of Mevanvy Verch ...Lady Joan Tudor was the daughter of Mevanvy Verch Daffydd who was the mistress of Jasper Tudor.They were never married so she was the illegitimate daughter of Jasper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-80717020939448681192021-04-20T18:40:14.634-05:002021-04-20T18:40:14.634-05:00I am a descendant of Morgan Williams, the putative...I am a descendant of Morgan Williams, the putative grandson of Jasper Tudor. I believe that both Joan and Ellen existed; however, it is possible they could have been the same woman. Born 1453,married to William ap Ieuan in 1468, Morgan and Ieuan were born, William ap Ieuan dies in 1469, Ellen/Joan meets Stephen Gardiner in 1470s. The Gardiner children are born. Myfanwy dies in 1485. Ellen/Joan dies the same year. Henry Tudor and Jasper land in Wales and emerge victorious in August 1485-Battle of Bosworth Field. The timelines are very close.Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09326940648542205062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-75743613322284395942020-07-22T19:47:29.979-05:002020-07-22T19:47:29.979-05:00It seems there are too many decendants to ignore! ...It seems there are too many decendants to ignore! Morgan is an uncle though, as i am descendant of John his big brother. I am mitochondrial Dna verified. If Joan never existed how are there so many of us that branch off from her other children. it would be more feasible that a made up figure only had 1 surving child to pass the line down through. instead of 3...Norahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13939778798359934901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-67149405797978946012019-12-10T18:18:25.002-06:002019-12-10T18:18:25.002-06:00Same! I can trace my lineage through only 2 name c...Same! I can trace my lineage through only 2 name changes (daughters) back to Roger Williams founder of Rhode Island and through his line straight back to a Joan Tudor daughter of Jasper Tudor..though knowing the “catholic church” claims marriages of love may not be legitimate in their eyes, it could still be legal in laws of the land... all this hype about the cromwell side there is more than one side and a looonnnggg line of decendants Erin Bryanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15902786284913641734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-88393767501694829862018-08-31T09:09:31.723-05:002018-08-31T09:09:31.723-05:00I too am related to Joan Tudor. Her descendant Re...I too am related to Joan Tudor. Her descendant Reverend Roger Williams founded Rhode Island and through him I was able to trace back our family tree to Joan Tudor where the trail promptly ends. If you all find anything let me know. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-66264362496827109592018-05-31T00:49:29.321-05:002018-05-31T00:49:29.321-05:00Looks like I'm a little late to the party, but...Looks like I'm a little late to the party, but I'm related to all these folks as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-45000794722819574202017-12-18T17:54:04.247-06:002017-12-18T17:54:04.247-06:00I too am a descendant of this bloodline - there is...I too am a descendant of this bloodline - there is more I would like to share with those who are interested - clane marcostarrlane@gmail.com Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-80971042103835698022017-05-15T08:59:42.300-05:002017-05-15T08:59:42.300-05:00I too am a direct descendant of Morgan Williams. M...I too am a direct descendant of Morgan Williams. My father was born Robert Williams and his paternal lineage is in a direct line from Morgan Williams. My father was then adopted by my grandmother's second husband whose name was Roberts, make my father and subsequently me, Robert Roberts.<br /><br />My email is xnasa57@live.com<br /><br />We descendants of Morgan Williams should start a club. :-)Robert Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07596984666626978794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-87717433795170444232017-04-02T01:42:18.844-05:002017-04-02T01:42:18.844-05:00Jasper's first partner was Myvanwy Verch Daffy...Jasper's first partner was Myvanwy Verch Daffydd. She was the mother of Joan and Helen. Myvanwy was the daughter of Sir Daffydd ap Mathew, Baron of Glamorgan and a Marcher Lord.<br />Myvanwy died about 1485. Daffydd ap Mathew was Edward IV's Standard Bearer. The relationship between Jasper and Myvanwy was strained about 1461. Jasper was in exile during 1461 to 1470 and again after Tewkesbury in 1471. Their daughters did not survive past 1485; but left offspring.Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09326940648542205062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-47816575975074236022017-03-31T22:44:15.789-05:002017-03-31T22:44:15.789-05:00Actually i believe Joan might have been Jaspers da...Actually i believe Joan might have been Jaspers daughter from a previous marriage. I believe he was married first to a lady who might not have been a noble. He was only married to Catherine Woodville for ten years, 1485 to 1495, while Joan was born in 1453 and died in 1479. Meaning Joan was an adult and had children and died when her father could have remarried. Her sister Helen died in 1485, so Jasper could have been lonely and then decided to remarry because of that.Jcuthagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064293565640107814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-65325538919610801052017-02-17T01:10:16.112-06:002017-02-17T01:10:16.112-06:00Elizabeth,I have provided you access to my DNA tes...Elizabeth,I have provided you access to my DNA test results. I have traced my lineage to Morgan, who is my 15th Grandfather.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-43967727776788145202016-11-03T07:59:02.171-05:002016-11-03T07:59:02.171-05:00have any of you got any documentation to prove the...have any of you got any documentation to prove these links (if so I would love to see them posted on the web for us all to examine) or are you just trawling the internet trying to find links.<br />To prove a connection you need at least 3 supportive official document.<br />Family stories are not enough.<br /><br />I can find no information for Oliver Cromwell's illegitimate children and I would doubt if there ever were any as he was a strict Puritan and happily married.<br /><br />Signed a true (documented) descendant of Oliver Cromwell (Lord Protector)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-46870575526214950022016-10-31T11:07:18.785-05:002016-10-31T11:07:18.785-05:00Morgan Williams is also my 16th Grandfather. I do ...Morgan Williams is also my 16th Grandfather. I do believe Joan existed, she was illegimate daughter of Jasper Tudor.<br />I live in Tennessee, we are descendants from the Maryland Cromwells.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-77525042903521746052016-09-13T13:47:38.278-05:002016-09-13T13:47:38.278-05:00I traced my line to Katherine Cromwell from a Grea...I traced my line to Katherine Cromwell from a Great,great,great-Grandmother, Cinderella Cromwell, who married a Pettway in N.C.<br />I believe Joan Tudor did exist; but wasn't documented because she a.) was illegitamit b.) died young from bearing children while still a child herself.Lisa M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02151000412739555824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-62032991648274215442016-02-28T20:46:41.015-06:002016-02-28T20:46:41.015-06:00Morgan Williams was knighted by Henry VII. Morgan ...Morgan Williams was knighted by Henry VII. Morgan owned a tavern and brewed ale.<br /><br />His brother John Williams was also knighted and a Member of Parliament. How???<br /><br />If Joan Tudor was not the illegitimate daughter of Jasper Tudor,the honors may have<br /><br />come from her husband's service to Jasper Tudor and Henry VII. However, consider <br /><br />that Henry VII was not liberal with his honors. Morgan's son, Sir Richard Cromwell<br /><br />(Williams) married the sister of the Earl of Essex and served Henry VIII. All <br /><br />respect to Professor Griffith's fine work on Henry VI; but some circumstantial<br /><br />evidence points to Morgan Williams as a relative of Henry VII. I believe that<br /><br />Joan Tudor could have been Jasper's illegitimate daughter. Welsh nobles unless<br /><br />recognized by the King were under a disability until Henry VIII.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-68582943767123438222015-10-27T04:07:53.647-05:002015-10-27T04:07:53.647-05:00Also whats amazing is that Morgan Williams married...Also whats amazing is that Morgan Williams married Katherine Cromwell, Thomas Cromwell's older sister. So while not a direct link, Thomas Cromwell and Henry VIII where related.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-70954886384148840302015-10-27T03:56:50.860-05:002015-10-27T03:56:50.860-05:00Morgan is also my 16th great grandfather. My name ...Morgan is also my 16th great grandfather. My name is Grant Williams. I found some info about Joan Tudor. Her father Jasper was married to Mevanvy Verch Daffydd in 1483 where they had her and her sister Helen. In 1485 Jasper was then married to Catherine Woodville sister of Elizabeth Woodville, wife of Edward IV.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-90842673596116613012015-10-23T14:23:32.152-05:002015-10-23T14:23:32.152-05:00I am descended from Oliver Cromwell's illegiti...I am descended from Oliver Cromwell's illegitimate children. I'll have to go dig in my genealogy records to get the exact details. Surname is Irish, so it must have been one of my grandmothers that was his descendant. My Irish line fought in the American Revolution (I believe 2nd generation in America).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-88429907253898461052015-10-01T22:35:22.115-05:002015-10-01T22:35:22.115-05:00Morgan Williams is my 14th great grandfather, as w...Morgan Williams is my 14th great grandfather, as well!Hikermom71https://www.blogger.com/profile/10850561872908616055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16981893.post-43145345295634362222015-04-24T16:56:12.428-05:002015-04-24T16:56:12.428-05:00Crystal, we are related too! Morgan Williams was m...Crystal, we are related too! Morgan Williams was my 16th great grandfather. My name is Elisabeth Williams. I am currently doing my family tree on ancestry.com. I could use some assistance with stories and pictures on the williams side of family. Kenneth can we get in touch? I am interested in your family records. My email is emw021@yahoo.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com